This category can either be a dating story of mine or a simple comment on dating as a general topic.
Well, I dipped my toe in and to my surprise was greeted with someone who was a true breath of fresh air! Laughing, flirting and an overall good time was had by all. It was a nice way to enter into the dating scene again; however, it’s the aftermath which …
I’ve toiled with writing this; however, this blog is for me, to express myself and to put my little opinion on the map. So here goes.. probably one of the longest posts ever and my ADD definitely shows through…look, there’s a squirrel – hope you can follow my points. I’m …
Some have often wondered if my son is a Marine, yet, those who know the story know it’s much deeper than it seams Was I by chance a widow of one who once wore Blues, did I help him as he polished buttons and spit to shine his shoes OR …
I find myself frustrated that my reactions to you are due to my knowledge of all; however, she strolls through life completely unaware. I could be fun, carefree and pleasant; however, knowing what I know prevents me from ever really letting go. I keep my guard up because expecting loyalty in a situation …
There are many people at the office celebrating new babies and it’s wonderful to see; however, I’m very happy not to be one of them. I have a wonderful son who is now a tax paying, contributing member to society and I could not be more proud of him, yet, I’m …
Good! If you were someone who took a dog into your home only to have it surprise you with dirty paw-prints or medical bills which you cannot afford OR it simply was TOO much for you to handle.. and now, you’re ready to get rid of the dog…. PLEASE DO; …
Unless you live under a rock, you know why this group exists….. #KoreanLivesMatter is all inclusive, unless you’re an ass, then, you can’t join! No one really cares what your ethnicity is; however, if you do, then we’re probably not the group. There’s nothing wrong with being proud of where …
Never show her how to live without you. Call, even if you do not want to. Tell her how you feel, if she has to rely on what was once said…. she may seek to find someone who will say something now. Believe that she could leave and treat her as …
It’s no secret that certain women are extremely bright; however, they continue to make stupid choices when it comes to love. Read More
A friend of mine posted an image on social media depicting small children riding and/or standing on dogs, with a reference as to how this was not OK. All too often we hear of a dog attacking a child; however, not much time if any is spent on what was …
Oh, it was a festive St. Patrick’s Day in St. Paul, MN – capitol city and my hometown; however, like any other large gathering – there are a few words of advice I’d love to share with you. It’s no secret that many people go in hopes of coming across their …
We’ve all been in a situation where something happened and each person has their own ‘take’. The more it is spoken about and the more who become involved either as witnesses or allies, the actual events become more and more skewed and not even from intent. Read More
Is there ever a reason to raise your voice? Can you really get closer at the top of your lungs? When red is all you see is resolve soon to follow? Oddly enough the answer to all 3 is a resounding YES! Yet, you have to be with someone where …
Being single is not a curse and in many instances it is quite nice; however, there have been moments in my life where I’ve wanted to take someone by the neck and shake them until their head falls off or everything in their pockets flies out like the innards of …
Fairy Tales are fun to read as a child and hopefully you grow up knowing, they’re entertainment and not architectural plans as to how your life is going to turn out. It is my hope elements of the tale come to you; however, while it may appear attractive to be …
I should be strong enough to face you; however, it’s the truth I’m afraid of. I should be secure enough to trust you; however, it’s not my love I doubt. I should be bold enough to ask you; however, why do you insist on holding onto the answers. I should …
Years and years and years ago…. I was dating online, when it was taboo, weird or downright crazy. I was less than savvy; however, I thought it was a super concept and so I thought ‘what the hell’ and signed up. I had perused the profiles of several interesting gents …
I am in a real pickle. I’m in an awesome relationship; however, he has shaped a completely incorrect view of me. We started out more than grand; however, extenuating circumstances marred that blissful beginning. Where do I go from here? Is it worth setting the record straight OR do I …
I’ve been online dating for almost 25 years now and Read More
Recently I had placed myself in an awkward position… in an effort to help a family member in need… I offered up my house. I made the offer prior to truly thinking about the logistics, yet, he came to me – homeless. I live in a pretty small house as …
If you’ve ever met me you’ll know that my louder than normal voice and unfiltered comments are just some of the things that I am known for; however, what you may not know is just how small I feel at times. I realize that no other person will ever ‘complete’ …
I’ve always been an optimist and although some may think that I am unaware of the parade of crazies that I’ve allowed through my heart.. I still do believe in happily ever after. I am not thoroughly convinced that I am destined to be single forever, yet, I am less …
Well, it’s no secret that Kenny Rogers’ song Coward of the County will always bring a tear to my eye; however, the title above has little to nothing to do with the Gatlin boys or Becky (listen to the song if you don’t know what I’m talking about). In talking …
It’s no secret that I’m a long-time Country Music fan; however, what you may not know is that Country Music has not just been something for me to listen to… the lyrics in songs have dictated many of my thoughts, perceptions and in truth, feelings. I would be hard-pressed to …
It is never easy stepping into new water; however, there is definitely something new in the air. I would love to be able to tell you exactly what is going on, yet, I myself do not know either. I am sure that in time it will come to fruition, yet, …
My Aunt Jackie had a beautiful service… on the way home I started to think about my own funeral service. What would I want done? Who would handle it? Would I want to be seen or is cremation the answer? In all seriousness, I would want to create the picture …
For any of you that know me, you know that my exterior is tough, yet, my heart and empathy for others runs deeper than those who do not know me would think. I have always rooted for the underdog, defended the weak and am dedicated to righting a wrong. Due …
It has been quite some time since an Imaginary Friend was in order; however, I’m to the point where I feel I have one. I can see him, I can hear him and on chance occurrences he’s close enough to touch… but, is he really there? It has been 4 days now …
It has been quite a spell since I’ve posted; however, the interesting, odd and downright unbelievable dating experiences have come to a temporary or permanent halt. I’d love to say that I have found my one and only; however, I am still at the same or similar spot as before…with …
Years and years and years ago…. I was dating online, when it was taboo, weird or downright crazy. I was less than savvy; however, I thought it was a super concept and so I thought ‘what the hell’ and signed up. I had perused the profiles of several interesting gents …
Even though we’ve been together for over a year and things feel just right, holidays bring a little uneasiness. Am I automatically invited, do I need to extend the proper invitation? Are we comfortable enough with one another that it is just assumed? Well, the answer is still up in …
I’m not sure how often I would send out a newsletter; however, I’m writing this post to promote the option. If I am unclear as to why I have a website, I should be equally confused as to why I would send out a newsletter, yet – here it is. …
One of the kindest people I know, will always remain true to himself – in his own way. He will not say something, just, to make YOU feel better; however, he will not make you feel bad on purpose either. He has extreme disdain for those who do not work; …
Yours is a tale of rebellion and adventure! Your life has been exciting and fulfilling. While you have experienced some ups and downs, you managed to remain resilient and learned how to smile in the face of fear. “The Diary of a Travelling Renegade” is a legendary account of your …
When something is going right, time flies; however, when you’re enduring something horrendous that little fast clock changes to something slower than Christmas. Why is that? Simply because we’re not paying attention, as that little clock – never changes it’s pace. I love to say that the timing is right, …
It has become abundantly apparent that I and my fellow responsible, hard-working friends are about the dumbest people on earth! As I worked tirelessly on trying to find the best of the worst health care options, I realized that irrespective of what plans I decide on offering – the accumulated …
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http://quizly.io/quiz/1671/begin/2 These are my results; Realistic. Based on what you saw in these images, you are the realistic type. Some would say you are pessimistic because you can identify the cause of many unpleasant situations, correctly evaluate the current state of events and predict how they would turn out, based …
Recently there’s been a barrage of bloodshed & death; however, color is only brought up in certain situations. As I write this, I anticipate that it will be immediately bashed, if I’m not on the looting bandwagon…. so, bash away as I see no logical correlation to looting & resurrecting …
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I definitely believe in helping others. I wish that there was more that I could do; however, I do what I can and in some cases I do more than I should. I do not think that I am any better than anyone else and trust me, there are tons …
21 Lost Gentleman Traditions that Still Apply Today OR Do they? In my current and hopefully last relationship, I enjoy 12 of the 21. Sure, it could be a higher number; however, it could be lower too. If I held out for all 21, I’m not sure if it would …
There are moments in life where you find yourself in a situation where you’re being understanding of someone else’s situation; however, circumstances force you to question if your actions are understood or underestimated. Some will immediately say that if you feel the latter, that person or persons does not view …
I will be the first to admit that I’ve said these words; however, I will also tell you that I hate these two words together. I’m not a fan of ‘It’s all good’ either. In general I find that both of those terms, albeit ‘hip’ are stupid! I believe in …
I wish I could be that person who looks to something new as exciting; however, I tend to always ponder the what ifs, the negatives and/or the perils that I may face. There are many who can hear about something new, different and with wide-eyed enthusiasm go for it without …
To most a man who has never married is revered as smart, perhaps, even envied; however, a woman who has never married is expected to have something wrong with her. Perhaps she spent time in prison, maybe she has a rare blood disease or her home is filled to the …
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It’s been forever and a day since I’ve added something new; however, there’s no excuse – well, there are excuses, yet, if you’ve spent any time on my site – you’ve come to know I’m not one for excuses! No Whining! Oh, what a time I’ve had lately, some good, …
I have strong opinions and trust me when I say this, I do not get upset at most things; however, the few things I hold near and dear to my heart, when disrupted will cause one furious fucking mess in the life of the perpetrator. I adamantly admire those who …
It would be the most incredible occurrence in life; however, the timing is completely wrong. How can something so wonderful be considered so very wrong? Well, there are many things in this life that if they would have happened in another time or place – they would be celebrated, announced …
It’s no surprise that relationships of any sort take work; however, when they take effort to accept what you know you deserve more – what, are you really involved in? Are you selling yourself short? Some would immediately say yes, yet, to only make their own sacrificial choices. Remember, cast …
Last night I spent a great deal of time speaking with a very handsome man. I had wondered if he had interest or if he was seeking conversation with someone other than his travel mate. We spoke of past relationships, where we are now, the B-52’s and photography. It was …
Recently someone told me that our relationship was ‘temporary’. I had to do everything I could to remain calm; however, after I had that not always taken ‘time-to-think’…. I realized how true that was. Life has a way of showing us just how ‘expendable’ we are. We all know that …
With the entire December album of George Winston playing in the background I write this. Thanksgiving being the first song. The holiday itself is about sharing, time with family and taking your stomach to task. As I listen to George display his talent, I wonder about my ‘special purpose’ as …
These words, I will never say; however, I love the song (and her mink wrap). Cool or bitter cold nights are good and bad; however, I will leave the reasons out for now. I value the bitter winter for it allows the ground to rest, the trees to shed a few …
In each dream there’s always that moment when you realize that you may not be dreaming at all… it’s real! The horse has gone to pasture and the armor is tucked away; however, your Knight is still shining. Does it really need to be forever or can you just revel …
His smile…I recall a time as I drove up, he smiled. It wasn’t huge, it was genuine and true – just as he is. Watching him think before he speaks or as he is recalling something… his words have meaning. Despite success, he’s humble – no need for false bravado! …
Growing up I pretty much had to have whatever I wanted – right then. Waiting was not in my repertoire. I had many options, avenues & adventures and I can assure you that whatever I wanted to do – I did or was in the midst of doing. It was …
All kidding aside I’ve taken a moment or many to think about where I am and why it is that on most weekends I am spending time at home, alone with my puppies. Yes, I want to share special moments with one person; however, I find that I desire that …
Mr. Cute and I have been talking recently; however, days past by without a call or text and in my new approach, I was not driving the ship. Yet, I felt that I had every right to reach out, check-in – see what, if anything was up. So I did. …
Many romantics will recall this line in the movie “You’ve Got Mail” – this is still a dream of mine. Yes, I have him in mind; however, he has yet to come forward in that particular light again. I could ‘force’ it, yes, as I have done in past; however, …
It has become abundantly apparent that this blog was originally created to vent my dating experiences; however, based on recent experiences it has become clear that as I move from the dates of chaos, I have less to write about. I definitely want to scream from the mountain tops as …
It’s hard to put into words what has recently come to light; however, a blog is the perfect place in which to try. Although the word serious can take on many levels of interpretation, the use of the word in regard to personal relationships is what I am writing about …
It had been on my mind; however, was it the person or the action that caused me angst? When I started to go into it… it became evident that I was not looking at the person, I was recalling the action of another. Shame on me! I try to keep …
No, I did not endure the countless hours of medical school; however, I must admit that my dating experiences have earned me the right to claim the title. I would venture to guess that I have dealt with more a$$holes than a Proctologist at a Free Clinic. It’s not all …
This morning while getting ready I caught a few minutes of The Recruit with Al Pacino…more or less the movie is about the training of CIA Agents and the twists and turns are constant. First you think that Layla really did get cut from the school only to realize that it was …
There are big moments in our life, where all we can do is ‘live small’… almost microscopic. Sure, we’ll pick up, join in and get with the program; however, in certain situations and for undefined amounts of time, there is validity in just pulling back, taking stock. If you’re a …
It’s never easy when you meet someone new to really ‘know’ what it is that they are thinking. Yes, you can ask; however, there are certain situations in which that state of unknown is sort of appealing. I’ve never been one to play hard to get or coy, when it …
One of the funniest things about meeting new people is ‘thinking’ that you have your preference list all thought out; however, there’s always the possibility that you meet someone where you have absolutely nothing in common. Sure, you can share a few likes i.e. chili, political view and being left-handed, …
A man was wandering around in a field, thinking about how good his wife had been to him and how fortunate he was to have her. He asked God, “Why did you make her so kind-hearted?” The Lord responded, “So you could love her, my son.” “Why did you make …
It’s no secret that Mr. Cute has positioned himself in the No Way category; however, the audacity of this person is simply comical. I recently made a request for the rest of my ‘stuff’ and his reply was to provide a list. Now, that would make perfect sense if we …
The movie The Wedding Singer was funny; however, not necessarily my favorite, YET, there’s a classic line that recent events has played over and over in my head… It was after Robby was stood up at the altar… his girlfriend stated that she could not marry him because he was …
With school starts fast approaching I sort of feel like I’ve got a brand-new box of crayons… with my new approach to dating; however, this latest venture has proven to be, well – dismal, at best. I’m keeping my head up and my options open, yet, I had a very …
If dating was setup like the Girl Scouts….I would have recently earned my WTF Were You Thinking Badge! I would have had it a few days ago; however, my recent text exchange with Mr. Cute solidified it. For moments, OK, days I toiled with his comment… We would have been …
As we end the month of July… it became abundantly clear to me… I need to separate from Mr. Cute… I sent the text again and this time low & behold I received a reply… and it was a fueled one too… he had finally shared a few pieces of …
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Truth be told, I left a few things at Mr. Cute’s… as I was removing most of my stuff to just give him a little room; however, it’s been 2 weeks and a day since we’ve spoken and I’ve come to terms with his unique way of saying he’s done. This was …
A dear friend of mine recently read my ‘cards’ and the primary theme was that in order for me to get out of the ‘rut’ I am in, that I needed to do something for myself. It did not have to be a big thing, nor did it require tons …
I’ve been going through the process… can’t really call it a break-up process, because the crux of not talking with one another makes it near impossible to know what is really going on. This forces one to just decide on their own… not an ideal situation, but, since we are …
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Life has a way of working out, despite the pain you feel I thought that I had met the one, in truth he wasn’t real He had the right outer core and there were some nuggets held within But, when faced with certain situations, he held it all close in …
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If you’ve ever had a few minutes, I strongly encourage you to check out the Personals Section on Craigslist NOT TO FIND YOUR MATE… I came across these out of curiosity as I was looking for a lawnmower… WOW! If you ever wondered where the Serial Killers of the World …
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I have a pretty good overall demeanor, most that have met me sense that I am independent, capable, intelligent and kind; however, it has been said more than once that they would never want to cross me. I say that because that is what I’ve been told and in truth, …
I’ve said this a time or two before, usually to someone else that was going through a bad break-up or difficult relationship; however, until recently I did not realize that I was full of crap! For the past week or two, not only have I felt lonely with Mr. Cute, …
This post is being written a few days in advance; however, it will be published on the title day! As I’ve gone through the very early part of this week… there’s been silence. It’s been difficult for me to endure; however, my writing has allowed me a little pause …
By now I should realize that all of the thinking, worrying and fear will inevitably be for nothing… irrespective of the outcome all of this time spent has absolutely no benefit. I am driving myself crazy and for what purpose… since I am keeping my things to myself, well, with …
Now, there’s a novel thought! For the past few days I have allowed an internal struggle in regard to Mr. Cute. I have intermittent thoughts; however, they are relatively constant. Feelings such as ‘what did I do?’, ‘how can I change this?’ and ‘will he ever call?’, yet, the one …
For many Friday signifies the end of the work week; however, let’s give it up to those that trudge on through what many of us consider the weekend! For me, it starts my time with Mr. Cute! We’ve been overly steady with our weekend time…. I get over to his …
Depending on where you live you’ve probably encountered a Canada Goose…perhaps you’ve been on the receiving end of their all too well-known protective nature, but, irrespective of the interaction I am sure you know a little about them. Here’s what I admire most about the Canada Goose….they mate for life. Yes, …
There are moments in life when you find yourself doing something that you would not normally do; however, some of those things could be new experiences whereas others are things that you perceive as demeaning and/or simply wrong. I am not going to be too elusive here, yet, I will …
I’ve written several posts that are either about or mention Mr. Cute; however, it should be said that although he has become a central subject in my writings.. his position in my life is as a part, not as a whole. I enjoy writing about various experiences of which he …
I will be the first to admit that Females of all ages can get a little crazy; however, I would like to make the following request: Ladies: If you’re dating for dinner, self-validation or you have nothing better to do, please, take yourself out of the game, you’re ruining perfectly …
Recently I wrote a post in regard to Nosey Parkers and I was quite adamant about how against snooping I am; however, I must admit that I tripped up a little bit. Mr. Cute is anti-picture; however, I wanted to see if there was another picture that I could add …
I could be dating myself; however, who remembers the movie 9 1/2 Weeks? There was a scene where Mickey Rourke had left Kim Bassinger in his apartment, while he went out…. during his absence, he called her as she was going through his things… he asked her if she was …
All too often I’ve been told this, advised that, yet, for the most part I would continue on my own path. I felt that since it was my path that it should be at MY direction; however, my professional life has always been about learning, growing, improving and a lot …
Confidence is a funny thing…. I have more than my share of it. I have taken great risks in various parts of my life, some have failed miserably whereas others panned out to a ‘t’ yet, when it comes to other people…. I am not going to say that my …
These days there are so many entertainment options out there; however, few carry the degree of quality that I enjoy. In truth, I fall victim to sensory overload and simply tune it all out, yet, then I am not aware of the latest, and because of this, I miss out …
My blog post schedule is similar to that of airplane arrivals…. some are delayed, in other words, they were started and parked in the DRAFT area, whereas others are dead-on-balls-accurate (it’s an industry term, My Cousin Vinny)… yet, some posts are early, in other words they were premature thoughts, experiences …
Our Next Contestant Should Be Coming to the Stage Right Now….. In many ways I must say that my choice in potential suitors has greatly improved; however, at the same time I am coming to the conclusion that dating sites are predominantly for men that are simply not willing, able …
I’ve taken a moment to reread some of my posts on Mr. Special and I must admit that I was quite smitten with him, probably to the point of sickening; however, that is how I felt and in truth, there are still some lingering thoughts of him. My friends helped …
No, not what you’re thinking…. Somewhere in time the title above would not be said by an Independent Woman… for fear that someone, anyone would think that she was weak, needy or a loser; however, after some internal thinking… I am more than OK in saying this… and in truth …
I have been known to use the phrase; people may not remember what you say, but, they remember how you make them feel… I really believe this! As I think about this it forces me to think about how we say things… and to get even more in-depth… how what …
In a recent discussion with a friend we got on the subject of Brownies & Nuts. I happen to be a major fan of nuts in brownies; however, him, not-so-much. In fact he went onto say, that if we were to get together.. he knew that he could kiss brownies …
With a slight modification of Johnny Paycheck’s song, I’ve come to the conclusion that I do deserve better. I am not referring to a ‘better’ man nor am I even referring to a man in general… Overall, I deserve better! Of course, I am writing this post in mid-drama, yet, …
I have spoken at great lengths about why I write this blog and how cathartic it has been for me. From where I sit, it is perfectly OK for me to do this as I gain insight, am able to express myself in a creative way and there is always …
Since I’ve connected my blog to my Facebook page I’ve received a lot of really nice and supportive comments. I am also very happy to report that bloggers of which I greatly admire and respect are not only reading my posts, but commenting and mentioning me (Thanks, @lookingforbrunettey); however, the …
Not sure where I came up with this line; however, I have a more X-rated version when spoken, yet, the truth of the matter is you can’t undo – the done. An advertisement text, yep, still on that blunder; however, here’s where that error has brought me… back to me, …
Everything happens for a reason. I say this quite often and I truly mean it. I am not necessarily in the know of what the reason is; however, I sincerely believe that there are no accidents. During a conversation with a dear friend… he encouraged me to just text Mr. …
I love Country Music… there’s something about the lyrics that just speak to me. Irrespective of my mood, there’s a country song that nails it. At current, the internal playlist is as follows: Keep Me In Mind – Zac Brown Band This is not the I will be here waiting …
It’s been 1 week since I’ve heard from Mr. Special…. this statement is a bit skewed because if he is special… why would I be tracking our communication? Well, because I was under the belief that you had to communicate with someone daily in order to be ‘connected’. At this …
I have never been a big believer on rules or what society determines as the right way in which to do something. I follow the law, respect social graces and do believe that when in Rome…. yet, I have charted my course and feel that I have done a relatively …
Although each person is their own… I definitely see some similarities in my Mr. Special with some of the Silver Screen’s best people…. He is a smooth driver… but wet or dry, he is ruggedly handsome….. Definitely someone who has a strong patriotic background… he is also someone who notices the girl …
When I read this it struck me in 2 different ways… my first reaction was this is a pretty cool saying; however, my quick second thought was… that this was an indicator that you may be keeping something that has ended with you, longer than you should. Perhaps each of …
For those of you that actually KNOW me, you know there are very few things, that I will shy away from; however, get a cup of coffee, a glass of wine and enjoy….. It is no secret that my dating life has been more downs that ups; however, each person …
Ever since I can remember, I have always regarded the Rocky movies as THE most romantic love story – ever! I recall how excited I was when the new Rocky sequel would be announced. There was something about the very first movie that struck me and each sequel after it …
I hate text messages; however, when someone I fancy is texting me, I’m as giddy as a schoolgirl! Can’t get any more opposite than that! I can appreciate text messages for their immediacy and their usefulness, when a conversation is simply not an option i.e. in a meeting or just …
I know there’s a saying about a month starting out like a Lion and going out like a Lamb; however, I think this can be used in other scenarios as well. When something starts out quickly is it always destined to end in a more calm state? One can rarely …
I am 41 years of age… I tend to think quite highly of myself not in the egotistical way, but, in the I am happy with who I am. I like to talk, listen, take things in and sometimes just relax. I am a high-energy, quick-witted, sharp-tongued woman… I tend …
I am a big lover of animals, all kinds… some I like to own, some I like to eat and some I simply enjoy watching in their own true habitat! My dogs provide unconditional love…. the way they simply come apart as I come up the walk is such a …
I absolutely love spicy food! I also like a cold lemonade on a hot summer day; however, I am not a fan of hot & cold people. I am a big fan of relaxation and life off the fast lane; however, a quick personality flip weirds me out. I have no …
Over the years I’ve grown leaps & bounds; however, despite that growth, there are still a few things that I tend to avoid. One of which being motorcycles…. I know that there is a huge world of motorcyclists and that there is a great love of them… but despite my …
I think everyone can get ‘excited’ about something; however, when it comes to dating… there is a definite difference between that of a woman and a man. I have known the most stable of women to absolutely lose their minds when a new love interest comes into the picture… and …
Online dating is a funny thing… it can introduce you to someone wonderful or provide you with a host of stories for years to come. I know that some people like to date around, even, after they meet someone of sincere interest.. they continue to go to the river and …